MARZWRLD: A Multidisciplinary Artist

MARZWRLD is a multidisciplinary artist known for blending visual art and fashion into a beautifully chaotic creative universe. Based in New York City, MARZ has spent the past few years building a body of work that spans photography, modeling, fashion design, event curation, and now—drag. With a background in photography and self-expression through styling, MARZ has modeled for notable brands like Snipes USA and Sprayground, just to name a few. Through their brand PLANETMARZ, they repurpose thrifted clothing into one-of-a-kind wearable art, often incorporating their own original photography and mixed media techniques.

As an event curator, MARZ most recently launched ‘Promiscuous’ , a space for community, artistry, and liberation. Now stepping into the world of drag, MARZ is embracing their full creative identity. Rooted in vulnerability, authenticity, and fearless self-expression.

I had the privilege of chatting with them and trust me, their world is one you’ll want to take a look into.

Diamond Durant: So, first and foremost, what does fashion mean to you personally and creatively? 

MARZWRLD: Fashion. I guess I didn't grow up in the fashion world and knowing anything about fashion until I just ran and we dived into it. It's just like with everything that I do, it's part of freedom of expression. It's just like another part of me being able to be me authentically. It's [fashion] just expression and self-expression and authenticity.

Durant: You work with mixed media in your designs. Can you walk us through your process and what drew you to mixed media, and how has it shaped your voice as a designer? 

MARZWRLD: I like mixed media because you never know what's going to happen. You work with different materials and react differently to different things.I feel I'm more connected with my art when I  just kind of black out in a way, and just let my body just do its thing and just be in a whole flow state. I don't really have a process of making things. I just see these different materials and these different objects and I'm just like, “what if I put that and this together”, “what if I add water to this?” “What if I glue this, let it dry and then chip away at it?”I just have these what if questions and so that allows me to explore a lot more. And what was the second question? 

Durant: How has it [mixed media] shaped your voice as a designer? 

MARZWRLD: Yeah, I've definitely tried to learn Photoshop and, you know, online, like editing software. Like I love doing videos. I love, you know, editing photos. I also think that it's rooting my inner child and connecting with that because, you know, growing up, we did a lot of arts and crafts. And so I just loved touching things and making things with my hands. I would say just by experimenting, and now being at the place I am and seeing my work throughout time. I definitely see the connections to everything. It's just helped me get my story across better by doing mixed media, adding these extra elements.

Durant: So you're a model, a designer and a newly formed drag artist. How does your self-expression shift or stay consistent across those identities, or do they feed into one another? 

MARZWRLD: I think they feed into one another, but they're also their separate entities. I definitely think, if you do more than one thing, it helps with the other thing. I haven't done photography in a minute and I've been kind of creatively blocked there, but drag recently has opened that up for me again. I love doing weird shoots and creating these drag looks. Just having that creative energy flow back into that part of me, while also finding this new creative outlet. Drag has allowed me to express myself in such a different way. Modeling in a way is kind of like acting. You're becoming this kind of persona. You're just posing and you're there and then not. But like with drag, you're in, you're in it. Like you are this person for however long your performance is, at least for me. I love dancing. I love letting my body move, so just letting the music flow through me. I think that's like what my art is, essentially just being in a constant flow state and seeing what comes from that. But yeah, it's all connected and it all has helped me with my other creative endeavors and definitely get it better at each one. 

Durant: How did you first get into drag? Was there a specific moment or was it something that you always been interested in but never had the time to do so?

MARZWRLD: Yes. So I've been wanting to do drag for a minute, and I mean, Ive been doing drag makeup for photoshoots, I grew up a theater kid and and I've done plays and I've done like talent shows and I go to the club and I dance at the club, so you know,  I've always had that, and I've always wanted to do drag and put that together, but I've just always had this fear of doing it. The fear of performing, doing drag, and going out in drag, but I'm such a perfectionist that it hinders me sometimes. I’m in my head and it makes me not do things and push it off because I'm like “oh, I really can't do my own makeup that well. So, you know, I'm just not going to do it as a whole” instead of just going and diving in. Knowing it's the first time, you're not going to be good the first time you do something that you've never done before. I just moved into my new apartment. Now I live with two drag queens. So just seeing them do their thing and just having this itch to do it as well. They helped me get into drag. They provided me with makeup or tips and this and that. So they provide me with encouragement. One of my roommates said there was this drag show that happens every month and it's open sets and I should sign up. And so I did. I had my first performance and it was so fun. And now I'm on my third performance and I just remember my first performance and being nervous and now I'm looking back at my latest performance and I just can't remember having any nerves right before the performance. So it's really helping with my confidence and each time I do it, it gets easier and better.

Durant: And um what would you say your biggest accomplishment is so far, whether a moment, a collaboration or a personal breakthrough? 

MARZWRLD: So I've been in New York for under a year and I've done a lot in that time, I feel like, and so I'm really proud of myself for coming here and really pursuing what I said I was going to pursue and, you know, just putting action behind my own words.  Even through the ups and downs. It's fucking hard on top of it being expensive. New York has a way of really chewing you up and spitting you out, girl. and then my [day] job laying me off two times and, you know, dealing with all that, I think I'm really proud of myself for persevering and like continuing to get my shit done and doing what I said I came to New York to do. So I'm really proud of that and a more specific moment, I'm really proud of my organizing, especially my Halloween party. But actually, I'm really more proud of my queer prom, PROMiscuous’  that just happened. 

Durant: In a world that's constantly trying to box people in, how do you stay rooted in your truth while continuing  to evolve? 

MARZWRLD: I get a lot of my inspiration from just like, like life experiences. A lot of my work can do with living life, so just always just allowing myself to breathe and touch grass and know that like there are no limits to anything and that anything is possible. And if I want it, I got it, I can think it. 

Durant: Rejection is a part of the creative industry or creative space as a whole. How have you learned to handle step backs and keep motivated? Would you say your previous answer lines up with how you’d respond to this question. 

MARZWRLD: Honestly, yeah, I mean, with modeling and being creative you always hear ‘no’ but it really is redirection. I look back and I'm just like everything worked out how it was supposed to. It's hard in the moment, but you come to terms with it, but then you see the bigger picture later on and it's like, “wow, you know, that no was actually a yes for me, honey!” 

Durant: And where do you see MARZ as a person and as a brand in the next five to ten years? And is there anything we can see coming soon in the near future from MARZ? 

MARZWRLD: Eventually I would love to see my clothes get bigger. We can expect bigger and better, higher quality, but still sustainable one of one's, but also branching making clothes that everyone can buy. I want to get into a lot of things. I mean, like MARZWRLD as a brand I do so much. And it's just really exciting, but expect workshops, even more performances. Just expect to be like damn this bitch does it all. And that's what's about to come, honey. Especially with doing drag, I feel like I just dipped my toe into what I'm capable of and what is coming from me. And I just feel like in this next year, or two, or however long,  it's about to be a deep dive into this creative world that I've created. I'm just so excited to see where it goes because I really don't know, but I just know it's going to be good and this is me now speaking into existence with you. 

Durant: Exactly. And that shit is going to happen, okay! 

MARZWRLD: It's happening right now!

Written and interviewed by Diamond Durant @diamondurant

Photography by Mark Bluemle @barks.mindd 

Talent: Marz @​​marzwrldbitch

BETWEEN TWO STAGES: A Conversation Between Singles

In a time of the word “situationship” and too many dating apps to count, being single and ready to mingle in 2025 is not a small feat. There’s an onslaught of constant evolution from the world of social media and forms of communication to the ways we date. 

Jade Shine, comedy writer and mother of three children, is dating for the first time since she was nineteen after going through a divorce. Ana, a current senior in her undergraduate degree with no real idea of where her life is going, is just trying to figure it all out. 

The two single writers came up with five questions for one another, all about love, life after and before relationships, and understanding the state of the online dating stratosphere. Here’s what they found: 

Ana Marks: What are your approaches to dating in 2025, and how drastically do they differ from when you started dating? 

Jade Shine: When I was last dating (at age 19!!!), I wanted to find some idealized Prince Charming to spend my life with. Vomit emoji. 

My current approach is to manifest exactly what I want, but at the end of that manifestation, I add… “or something ten times better.”  I’m leaving space for God (or the universe) to give me more than I could imagine for myself. I have the mindset that each and every relationship is here to teach me something important about myself, and I need to stay open. 

​​JS: What is the most important thing I need to know about modern dating? Differences from when I last dated?

AM: Screen culture has changed everything. Commitment and communication is entirely different. I think both social media and remote working, while very different things, have greatly impacted the way we socialize and live within the world. So much of how we keep contact with one another is via words on the screen, and people have become less social due to the convenience of technology. I also think social structures around the roles within heterosexual relationships have totally changed. There's more discourse over who pays on a first date, and I think women have more agency in a sense within the relationship. 

AM: In what ways do your standards for a partner change as your life evolves? Are you looking more for practicality (career similarities, financial stability) or for emotional connection? 

JS: I’m not looking for a dream guy. For me, what is most important is being with someone who supports me being the best version of myself. I want any partner to be emotionally healthy, confident in who they are (not what they’ve accomplished), and to have a big heart.

JS: Are you trying to find “the one”? Get married/ have kids? Or do you have different dating goals? 

AM: I think in today's climate, marriage isn’t totally something a lot of people in my generation are totally thinking about when it comes to dating. I personally can’t imagine myself with kids and a more settled down life, but I’m also only 21. I grew up in Texas, so I open Instagram pretty often to see some engagement or pregnancy announcements, and I'm always so shocked, but then I remember that’s kind of the beauty of where our culture is today. It’s acceptable to be my age and have those things happen for you and also it’s more acceptable to not know exactly what you want at this age. I would say I’m looking for someone I want to share life with. I like existing in my own spaces and having my own hobbies, and I would want someone that can exist in those spaces with me and also create something outside of what I’ve built in my own life. I’m of the belief that my partner should be my best friend, someone I want to be around constantly and someone I can confide in. 

AM: How would you say your perceptions of love have changed by being a mother? 

JS: Being a mother teaches you a whole new level of sacrificial love you never thought possible. You never realize how much your mom (or another loving adult) loves you until you love your own child. You would sacrifice your life (and so much sleep!) for this child. You will never have your heart broken as much as when something terrible happens to your child. In some ways, it can make romantic love challenging because maternal love is so powerful. 

JS: Let’s talk about apps. Which ones should I try and why? 

AM: Personally, I had Hinge for about 24 hours before I was annoyed by the interface and disappointed with my matches. This probably speaks more to my impatient nature, but they’re daunting. I’ve heard good things about Bumble, but I’ve also met couples who met on Tinder. I think it’s important to know exactly what you’re looking for when you start swiping and creating your profile. 

AM: Describe your ideal first date, how different is it from your ideal first date from when you first started dating?

JS: There is so much fake bullshit in the “getting to know you” date. Any first date where I can get beyond that and see a glimpse of who the person is, and let them see me, is ideal. Time is precious, and I don’t want to waste it showing each other our masks. 

When I was in college, my ideal first date was probably something romantic. Now I think that comes later. A personal gesture that is specific to one person is much more romantic than a date planned for a stranger. 

JS: What are the stages of dating? 

AM: The “talking stage” is a big one, which I would classify as a “getting to know stage.” A touch of flirting, but you’re still working on those early impressions. If talking is mostly dependent on screens (meeting over an app or social media, etc.) I would say the next stage is the “going on dates” stage. Seeing how the person is in different situations and in different atmospheres is important in finding a partner, if that’s what you’re looking for.  Depending on your own goals for the relationship, the following stages are entirely unique to the couple. If you’re looking for something more serious, I would think the next stage of dating is just that; defining the relationship for what it is and then acting on that. If the plan is to keep it casual, the stages are more of a go-with-the-flow vibe. 

JS: What is a situationship, and are they necessarily bad? 

AM: As I understand it, a situationship is something slightly more psychologically torturing than a friends with benefits situation. I think that if you’re looking for that kind of gratification and for something with absolutely no strings attached, a situationship doesn’t have to be the worst thing in the world. I do think, however, that it takes a mental toll. More often than not, it’s one party who wants more out of the situation, and the other party could not care less, hence how the situationship is born. Labels are big these days, and they have to be agreed upon by both parties. 

AM: What is one important piece of relationship advice that you wish you were told in your early 20’s? Is it something you learned recently?

JS: Fight for what is important. By nature, I don’t like conflict, but any relationship worth keeping is going to require you to set strong boundaries that will bring conflict. This doesn’t mean being rigid and having a “my way or the highway” attitude, but to engage in a safe and loving way with a partner to discover how you can both get your needs met. This requires a partner who is emotionally healthy enough to see this not as a criticism, but a beautiful negotiation. 

Jade Shine’s Writing Bio: 

Jade Shine writes MOM-COMS to voice the flaws, fears, and ferocious wants of moms. She seeks to demolish the established archetype of “mother” to allow women to be the fullest versions of themselves. Jade has optioned two comedy features and has placed in many contests, including PAGE, Austin, and Cinestory.  Born in San Francisco to hippie parents who joined a cult,  Jade was uprooted from that life to grow up on a farm in Iowa. After graduating from the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, Jade is also an Occupational Therapist, where she assesses her patients’ strengths and weaknesses. She transforms her characters like they are her patients – with specific treatment plans designed to heal. Jade currently resides and writes in Houston, Texas, but plans to someday hit the road as a backup singer for P!nk.

Ana Marks’ Writing Bio: 

Ana Marks is a freelance music, film, and culture writer born in Houston, Texas and based in New York City. Writing for various publications such as 47Magazine, Off the Record Press, and the Washington Square News, she has covered new releases and done various pop culture retrospectives. She is currently in her last year of her undergraduate degree at New York University, with a major in Cinema Studies and a minor in Media, Culture, and Communications. She channels her passion for film through her editorial and archival research work. When she’s not writing or working at one of her three jobs, she’s probably at the movies or calling her mom and dad to complain. 

How to Make It?: A Podcast Dissecting Success in Hollywood

In the corporate world, a pre-determined ladder is presented. Marking a path of how to make your way up to success. Laying out clear steps to go along with your journey. When it comes to the entertainment industry, there is no ladder. While many have searched for it or tried to copy other’s paths to success, it is an industry of unique journeys, requiring everyone to find their own way.

It is not a surprise that there is a lack of guidance for performers pursuing a career in entertainment, but it can be just as jarring for those working behind the scenes. For a highly visible industry, finding the way in feels nearly impossible. Those behind the scenes in the entertainment industry seem to always have a mystic map to follow to find your way in Hollywood. 

Emily Capello and Haley Muraleedharan’s podcast “How To Make It?” set out to answer that very question everyone asks when trying to make it in Hollywood. Each guest shares their unique journey into showbiz and how they continue to navigate through it, including guests such as Margaret Cho, Donnie Wahlberg, and Chelsea Culter. I got to chat with Emily about the inspiration behind their podcast and what she has learned from hearing dozens of stories of making it in such a competitive industry.

AM: Let’s start in the beginning. How did you and Haley come up with the concept for this podcast?

EC: Initially, it was a different show. We met on LinkedIn; it will be 5 years this summer. We both were working at Warner Bros in different countries. She was working on Ted Lasso [in England], and I was working on either Sex Lives of College Girls or Young Sheldon [in Los Angeles]. We just bonded over being in the same company, different country kind of thing. She’s an intimacy coordinator, and her stories are crazy, but even being a cast assistant/producer assistant/director assistant, it’s little things where you need someone to check in with and be like, “Is this insane?” “What is this job I’m doing?” And for the good stuff, too, such as when I was trying to set up wifi in the La La Land cafe. A lot of weird highs and lows.

Initially, the show was going to be about us interviewing famous best friends. We thought this was not feasible at this point in our careers. Then, I don’t know what the bridge was; I just think I was so sick of the

Just so sick. I think it was like the Architectural Digest Mansion tours and Hot Ones, super fun and smart interview questions I'm blown away by.  But it’s another famous, super fun like how late night show talk how fun it is to be famous, and I just was like, I once had to drive back from Burbank to Pasadena because the type of lemonade that I had gotten for someone was supposed to be in a bottle and I had delivered it in a plastic cup. Logically, people had to work their way up, but no one talks about it. So I wanted to hear from my favorite people who I considered “made it” to feel less alone. 

AM: There has been a wide variety of guests, actors, writers, comedians, singers, and more on the show. After interviewing such a wide range of working creatives, what similarities have you noticed in their journeys?

EC: The main theme seems to be fear, which I love because nobody knows what they're doing, nobody knows how to get to where they want to be, people end up in places they didn't think they were going to, and just this, like the uncertainty of stability no matter what anyone is doing no one feels like they're never going to have to find their next job and I've worked with very successful people in all areas who are you know older In their 60s and 70s saying oh my God  I always think this is going to be my last project so that seems to span all areas of entertainment.  This combination of impostor syndrome, or not even imposter syndrome, kind of like okay, I've seen it arrive somewhere, and I have no idea what's happening ahead of me.

AM: What was your idea of making it when you first started the podcast, and how has that changed over the course of 20+ episodes?

EC: We interviewed John Magaro; we do a chapter title for every episode that encapsulates your career in a chapter title. And we recently added “so far.” John was innovative and hashtagged the year as this is how he feels in 2024. So, for me, it’s shifting. 

Right now, it’s these tiny little micro things because I think that's the only way to approach this industry sanely. I have broken things down into these little accomplishments that make me feel like I'm on my way to where I want to be. Nothing frustrates me more than when a week or a month goes by, and I don't feel like I have taken enough steps or acted as if I'm going to attain these goals. Yesterday, I posted my first video on Instagram. It was just me being stupid and something I thought was funny, and I didn’t care if people watched it.  I did something I was afraid to do. I'm now less afraid to do this in the future, and I can't feel like I'm not trying in this area. I want to find representation for acting in the next year; it doesn’t have to be a big name. It could be someone up-and-coming like me and passionate about helping people achieve their goals. It’s continuing to get guests to be on the podcast. It’s taking steps in the right direction, and if I realize I’m five miles the wrong way, it’s taking that, knowing it’s not over there.  I think what I've learned through our guests is just the goal post -  I think Chelsea Cutler, are very first guest, was like, “The goalpost is constantly moving,” and “I want to play Madison Square Garden, but I also have to be cognizant of the things that I'm doing now in the goals that I've achieved now.” She's shortly after sold out Radio City, which is a huge accomplishment, you know, and will always be a huge accomplishment.

AM: Has there been a story from a guest that changed your view on the industry?

EC: Everyone brings usually brings a story. We usually ask one of our staple questions, a story of a time, like how Haley and I bonded, ask themselves, “What am I doing?”

Some people you know really so much to the question that they're like, oh my Go,d they're so many, but then we do get some very specific we get some very specific examples, and I think what I've respected and felt better about the most is there have been several stories with embarrassment at the center and just feeling bad about yourself. That's really helpful because I don't get that when I'm touring someone's beautiful Brownstone in the West Village people would love to live in. John’s story of going into an audition and waiting outside the room and the director hearing that it was him or the casting director I don't remember who it was and going oh my God, she's not right for this, and then having to walk in and do the audition. We had Tim Downie talk about doing a scene he felt super degraded in terms of having to do whatever it took to be in the soap opera sea of cow poop. Then, another episode we haven't released yet, which was recent as we interviewed a very famous drag performer, and she talked about a role when she was younger where she was the token trans woman and knowing internally she wasn’t comfortable with. This was years before people like Haley were on set as intimacy coordinators. 

Just this level, God, I don't feel good about myself right now,w but they did that and then kept going anyway, and I think that's really helpful because the first sign of embarrassment and just feeling like I don't like myself a lot of people from continuing.

AM: When you first started the podcast, did you bring on people you already were already connected with or slide into people’s dm? 

EC: There have been two guests that we knew ahead of time. We have interviewed 24 ( we have an interview on Monday, so that’ll be 25). That’s a small percentage of the total; I knew Ryan George through networking. He lives in Canada; it wasn’t like we went to elementary school together. Haley knew Tim Downie from theater school, but everyone else has been from- quite frankly, working my ass off to connect with publicists and doing other ridiculous things to make people notice me. There are so many examples, Sona Movesisan from “Conan O’Brien Need A Friend”  was because my old apartment complex was attached to the SiruisXM building, and as a major Conan fan, he's who inspired me to make the show, I went to a taping because I saw a sign posted across from the parking garage saying there would be a taping and I emailed someone I had been networking with for a year and she got me a ticket. Then, while he was warming up the crowd- you can look this up on YouTube as it went viral. I sassed him in front of the crowd, and we went back and forth for a bit. I sent it to Sona, and then Donnie came out of that. He commented on our post, and I could’ve just said, “That was cool,” but I found the contacts and Contacts, and I, you know, put in what had been said, and I sent you cut videos specific to him, and Margaret Cho was a result of a review that I wrote for collider of one of her films of the Tribeca film festival and I you know I didn't even know that she had posted on her Instagram but I love the film and I you know made contact with the publicist who I still have his lovelies names Ken we still have a relationship he's he connected me with peppermint for That interview.

John Macario was a result of me going to the bathroom during the Tribeca Film Festival and bumping into him in the lobby. There is a clip on our Instagram where I had to pee, and we had a back-and-forth, and he talked about how he didn’t want to see himself on screen. Another interesting thing to learn about a successful actor, and so he was waiting in the lobby, and I made a fool out of myself, and then I reached out to his publicist and was like, John may remember me as a girl who made a fool of herself and sent the review. From there, you continued to build, and I now have relationships with multiple publicists because their clients had a good time. Our content is valuable enough that they want to keep working with us. 

So it is 6 am on Monday morning, and sending cold emails, and it’s getting so many no’s. I got six no’s this week from people who I love, and I just have to be like, “At least they replied.” I have gotten one interview through damning, one tentative that I'm I need to chase next week, but I wouldn't I don't think that's it I try it's not super fruitful. I am a social media manager, and some of the clients get this; How would you ever dig this out? 

It's dealing with the rejection and the embarrassment and the being like, oh, no one's taking me seriously and going, yeah, they're not because no one knows who the hell you are, but we're going to keep going 'cause I have no other choice.

AM: This is my favorite question you ask your guests, so I’m going to throw it back to you: What is the best piece of advice you’ve ever gotten?

EC: I think it came from my Dad. Unfortunately, he doesn’t work in the industry. I told him when he retired, he should come out and say he’s an agent or something, and I would be a nepobaby. He’s had a varied career and pivoted so hard to support his family multiple times. He pivoted and pivoted and ended up owning his own business for 15 years. He has always stressed to remember your why. 

When he was younger, he wanted to be a hockey coach. He did coach my brothers when we were kids. For whatever reason, he decided he wasn’t going to be an NHL coach, so he realized that owning this business when he started out was minuscule. He ended up making it this big thing; he was able to mentor his employees and kind of achieve that in a way he didn't think it was going to be when he was younger. So I think remembering your why. I LOVE OUR PODCAST SO MUCH because we aren't huge yet, but the comments we get are so lovely. Our feedback from our guests, saying they loved certain questions because we’re not- we do touch on projects they have going on and characters that are significant to them, but we aren’t asking about people they know. I did on Sydney [Cole Alexander] episode, but that is because I’m obsessed with Severence, but I attached it to an emotional connection that I had and not like “What’s Ben Stiller like?” We’ve gotten such lovely comments that even if there are two comments on it, if someone says, “I'm so glad I found this. this is such a thoughtful conversation.” That’s why I am making art I'm proud of. 

It's not trending, it’s not- again, get that money. If you're good at The Tick Tock dances and following the trends, you do you. I know I’m not going pro in that area; I know I’m not good at that; it’s not my thing. For me, it’s remembering your core. I wanted to be an actor and someone with a creative voice since I was four. I remember watching The Wizard of Oz, and I just remember going, “Someone is filming this.” There was a moment was I was 2 or 3 and watching Leave It to Beaver, and I remember being very confused about how we were watching these people in their house and felt like we were violating their privacy.  At a certain point, I learned this is something that is being made, and I wanted to make things. My middle name is Dorothy, so I thought it was for me. I wore my hair like that and wore dresses like that. I saw myself in her. I wanted to make things that people saw themselves in. On my phone screen

It says, “Come on, kid, this is your dream” It's a kick in the ass every time I look at it; what am I doing am I proud of what I'm doing. Haley worked within a film that the cast was all the factors. One of them reached out to us. It was on a day when I was walking around and was like, am I wasting my time cuz I take so much time on our video content? I don't use AI I don't slap the captions on. I wanted to look neat and clean, and I really cared about it. So I took a lot of time with the captions, and one of the actors reached out there and said the captions were fantastic and helpful for me. And I was like, I'm even going to put more time into it. If this one person is able to enjoy our conversations, I will take the time to make sure what I'm putting out is concise and clear.  This is a very long answer, but my dad is always saying What is your why I remember your why. I think that gets lost so quickly for people they forget, and sometimes it's to make money, and that they forget, and sometimes that's to make money. And that may be to provide for their family. Understanding why you are doing things is most critical in life. Not a day goes by that I don’t think about what I am doing and make sure I am aligned with that in some way.

Here is the second best piece of advice. My Aunt battled breast cancer, and I remember sitting with her during chemotherapy. I don't know how this came up. I feel like I was maybe asking for advice or talking about something I was going through, and she said to me, I think she was in her 40s or early 50s; she told Emily's life is so long. everyone always talks about how short it is.”

You would think someone going through that kind of thing would be like, “Life is so short,”  but she said I have lived so many lives at this point, and people are in such a goddamn Rush all the time, especially now, especially people around her age. I also hate how people are so, and so I didn't get this until I was X, but I'm like, you're still putting an age on it even if it's 50. So I think another thing that's important in remembering your why is that it allows you space to breathe. If I get my first acting role when I’m 60, I’m about to turn 32, but let's round it down to say that 30 years from now, I could act for 20 years. That’s a long time! Just being open to whatever is going on is when I get into universe stuff. I do think that you shouldn’t look at what you're doing as incorrect or at the wrong time.

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Interviewed by Ashley Murphy